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Post  Eternal on Tue Mar 11, 2014 1:15 pm

Right now the biggest problem in the game that is keeping this game locked in the Currect meta (Clan combos composing of any 2 of the following clans; Uchiha / Kabuto / Nintai / Senju / Hyuuga / Jashin / Kaguya ) is the fact that about roughly 70% of the clans have one of the following problems:

- Weak/No Boosts
- Weak/TournyBanned Jutsus
- Small jutsu pool
- Doesn't work well with another clan
- Bugged Jutsus/Boosts that require players to remake or stay bugged.

This topic is to encourage more changes either through suggesting plausible solutions or by simply agreeing with me. Cause I'm right. Always.

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Re: The Game Needs To Make More Changes/Updates

Post  Moo on Tue Mar 11, 2014 2:41 pm

In all honesty, this is a really bad post. Its been proven so many times, like I hate to use him as an example but he is a good example. Ginji made Kurenai good. Any clan in this game can be good, its about the player. Pick any two clans that compliment eachother and you have a useable combo.


META IS NOT BAD


Because everyone picks a similar combo of clans, does not mean the games unbalanced. For whatever reasons people are ignoring the fact that theres way more untapped jutsu, just gives opportunity for the good players to make something out of the unloved clans and clan combos.

Also consider the meta usually isnt based on whats good/not good, they're mostly based on people asking "what are the good players using".


Dont post this in Off topic, this is a suggestion. Also, if you're making suggestions prepare to be opposed.

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Post  Eternal on Tue Mar 11, 2014 3:13 pm

Moo wrote:In all honesty, this is a really bad post. Its been proven so many times, like I hate to use him as an example but he is a good example. Ginji made Kurenai good. Any clan in this game can be good, its about the player. Pick any two clans that compliment eachother and you have a useable combo.

META IS NOT BAD

Because everyone picks a similar combo of clans, does not mean the games unbalanced. For whatever reasons people are ignoring the fact that theres way more untapped jutsu, just gives opportunity for the good players to make something out of the unloved clans and clan combos.

Also consider the meta usually isnt based on whats good/not good, they're mostly based on people asking "what are the good players using".


Dont post this in Off topic, this is a suggestion. Also, if you're making suggestions prepare to be opposed.

1) No-one said Kurenai was a bad clan, Gen just isn't in much of a good place atm compared to Nin or even Tai.


2) No-one said the Meta is bad. We're saying that we should have the opportunity to have more variety in clan choices without being put at a disadvantage.


3) True. The "Meta" is completely based off of what the good players are choosing, but when alot of the good players choose the same clans ( Hoshigake, Nintai, Senju ) it's hard to deny how strong those are compared to other clans.


4) I'm not saying the game is unbalanced because alot of people use the same clans. My reasoning was all valid and listed.


5) This isn't a suggestion. This is a post to prompt suggestions. There's a difference.

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Re: The Game Needs To Make More Changes/Updates

Post  Hasashi on Tue Mar 11, 2014 3:25 pm

I agree with Takeshi. I feel however, that no posts about clan suggestions should be made until after the wipe/update. 

@Moo,
"Because everyone picks a similar combo of clans, does not mean the games unbalanced." Don't even start. That is the exact proof of why the game is currently un-balanced. This topic (on why the game is/isnt unbalanced) has been done to death. Just read up other people's posts about balancing and clan suggestions. 

Imo the game is un-balanced but since there is a update/wipe immenient, and idk whats in it, I feel everyone should wait for the update/wipe to occur. After seeing what was changed and what was the same, then new suggestions can be made. 

For all we know the update can make Ramen Guy is a NPC who hits e+20 and when you kill him you get Jubi...

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Re: The Game Needs To Make More Changes/Updates

Post  Moo on Tue Mar 11, 2014 4:13 pm

NKV is hardly unbalanced, facts are.

Jirobo
Sakon
Gelel


Those are the only clans in game that dont boost 4x min.

Sorry thats the facts. You may not believe it, but I've tested every clan in this game, nearly every clan boosts 4x minimum.

Nintai is one of the most used subclans yet it only boosts 4x.

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Re: The Game Needs To Make More Changes/Updates

Post  Hasashi on Tue Mar 11, 2014 4:22 pm

Moo wrote:NKV is hardly unbalanced, facts are.

Jirobo
Sakon
Gelel


Those are the only clans in game that dont boost 4x min.

Sorry thats the facts. You may not believe it, but I've tested every clan in this game, nearly every clan boosts 4x minimum.

Nintai is one of the most used subclans yet it only boosts 4x.
Where is your evidence? I am not gonna take your word for it. The game, as it is now, is insanly un-balanced. So what if they all boost x4? There are other clans that boost more and have great movepools. Other clans have borderline or bad movepools. There is a reason why people are all Uchiha, Senju, etc. It's because those clans have better boosts and or moves than others. 

If the game is unbalanced, how come some clans have 9 tile homing attacks that come from every direction and some clans get barley any jutsu worth using. Im looking at Senju and Temari

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Re: The Game Needs To Make More Changes/Updates

Post  Eternal on Tue Mar 11, 2014 4:26 pm

Moo wrote:NKV is hardly unbalanced, facts are.

Jirobo
Sakon
Gelel


Those are the only clans in game that dont boost 4x min.

Sorry thats the facts. You may not believe it, but I've tested every clan in this game, nearly every clan boosts 4x minimum.

Nintai is one of the most used subclans yet it only boosts 4x.
It's very unbalanced imo.

I'll do more checking on clans to give a more detailed report and also to defend my argument, but currently I'm basing what I say on the 15+ Clans I have tried and understand well. 

Most of the good clans are only the ones that have recently been Updated/Added.

And as for Nintai, sure it boosts 4x, but you forgot to point out that V2 gives Yami Tele and that with v2 it's clan total boost is 5.3xTai,Nin and that it has very strong jutsus. Just gonna point that out.

@ Hasashi:

Sure, I'll leave the Clan suggestiosn and such till after wipe.

And can we stop with the ramen guy jokes, its getting old. .-.

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Re: The Game Needs To Make More Changes/Updates

Post  Sam on Tue Mar 11, 2014 4:28 pm

This whole topic is stupid. moo is right, a person can use any clans that boost a certain stat and make it good.

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Re: The Game Needs To Make More Changes/Updates

Post  Eternal on Tue Mar 11, 2014 4:31 pm

Permafrost wrote:This whole topic is stupid. moo is right, a person can use any clans that boost a certain stat and make it good.
You just pointed the problem out yourself.

Not all Clans have the option of "boosting a certain stat". Jirobou doesn't even have ANY boosts. 

And yea, I'm extremely focused on Jirobou and Tenten in my arguments cause they're the ones that draw my attention.

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Re: The Game Needs To Make More Changes/Updates

Post  Moo on Tue Mar 11, 2014 4:36 pm

I've tested every single clan in the game,

Jirobo has no boosts but has the highest multipliers in the game.
Sakon boosts 3.5 but has good jutsu's and a high multiplier on a 360
Gelel Stone boosts all stats, including HP which is really good.
[size=13.333333969116211]Tenten Boosts 4x, with Pein/Senju 8x, with blood 12x, also Windmills does 2x Shuriken and .5 Kunai skill.[/size]




[size=13.333333969116211]Im done replying, I've literally tested every single clan, you're asking me for proof and saying you wont take my word but theres not one fact in this post. Its all you guys opinions. I'm posting facts, I cant prove them because the game is down but once its up go check for yourself.[/size]

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Re: The Game Needs To Make More Changes/Updates

Post  Tenori Taiga on Tue Mar 11, 2014 4:44 pm

''META'' clans aren't better than the under/un-used clans. People crave cookie cutter clans that require no effort whatsoever to be good with. This is fact and ''balancing'' clans further will not change that.

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Re: The Game Needs To Make More Changes/Updates

Post  Sam on Tue Mar 11, 2014 4:45 pm

Takeshi wrote:
Permafrost wrote:This whole topic is stupid. moo is right, a person can use any clans that boost a certain stat and make it good.
You just pointed the problem out yourself.

Not all Clans have the option of "boosting a certain stat". Jirobou doesn't even have ANY boosts. 

And yea, I'm extremely focused on Jirobou and Tenten in my arguments cause they're the ones that draw my attention.
Even if Icy gives jirobo a boost his multipliers will be severely reduced. I'm guessing you have never actually used jirobo or tenten because you would know that they can work.

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Re: The Game Needs To Make More Changes/Updates

Post  Eternal on Tue Mar 11, 2014 4:47 pm

Moo wrote:I've tested every single clan in the game,

Jirobo has no boosts but has the highest multipliers in the game.
Sakon boosts 3.5 but has good jutsu's and a high multiplier on a 360
Gelel Stone boosts all stats, including HP which is really good.
Tenten Boosts 4x, with Pein/Senju 8x, with blood 12x, also Windmills does 2x Shuriken and .5 Kunai skill.


Im done replying, I've literally tested every single clan, you're asking me for proof and saying you wont take my word but theres not one fact in this post. Its all you guys opinions. I'm posting facts, I cant prove them because the game is down but once its up go check for yourself.
1) I haven't asked you for proof or called you a liar.

2) I dont have enough info to challenge you bout Gelel or Sakon but as for Jirobou, and Tenten...

Jirobou: He doesnt have the highest multipliers in the game, Gai does. Jirobou only has 5 jutsus, only 2 note worthy. he has a heki that does 6.9x Tai and a freeze that does 4x Tai, and a fighting style Arhat Fist (Like Jyuuken, Tekken, Strong fist, ect.) which is close to the power of Strong fist.

Tenten: Firstly, her max Shuriken boost is 3.8x and her strongest move (Homing Windmill) requires a windmill in inventory and only does 2x shuriken damage. There is no "0.5x Kunai". Secondly, Don't bring up Blood/Pein/Senju. We're talking about individual clans.

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Re: The Game Needs To Make More Changes/Updates

Post  Hasashi on Tue Mar 11, 2014 4:57 pm

The mere fact that some clans require no or little work is silly imo. I feel that this is the real problem. I agree with Moo in the sense that any clan can be good with thought and work. But I also feel that each clan should require some work.

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Re: The Game Needs To Make More Changes/Updates

Post  Eternal on Tue Mar 11, 2014 4:59 pm

Hasashi wrote:The mere fact that some clans require no or little work is silly imo. I feel that this is the real problem. I agree with Moo in the sense that any clan can be good with thought and work. But I also feel that each clan should require some work.
What kind of work? Update, or work as in understanding the clan and finding unique ways to use it with other clans (Such as Rin's Hyuuga/Senju)?

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Re: The Game Needs To Make More Changes/Updates

Post  Hasashi on Tue Mar 11, 2014 5:00 pm

I think each clan should require work and experience with it, some time but into it, to get it's full benefits. Thats all

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Re: The Game Needs To Make More Changes/Updates

Post  Eternal on Tue Mar 11, 2014 5:05 pm

Well yea, thats a given. Noone gets good with a clan or clan combo without having experience in it.

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Re: The Game Needs To Make More Changes/Updates

Post  Moo on Tue Mar 11, 2014 5:25 pm

Takeshi wrote:
Moo wrote:I've tested every single clan in the game,

Jirobo has no boosts but has the highest multipliers in the game.
Sakon boosts 3.5 but has good jutsu's and a high multiplier on a 360
Gelel Stone boosts all stats, including HP which is really good.
[size=13.333333969116211]Tenten Boosts 4x, with Pein/Senju 8x, with blood 12x, also Windmills does 2x Shuriken and .5 Kunai skill.[/size]


[size=13.333333969116211]Im done replying, I've literally tested every single clan, you're asking me for proof and saying you wont take my word but theres not one fact in this post. Its all you guys opinions. I'm posting facts, I cant prove them because the game is down but once its up go check for yourself.[/size]
1) I haven't asked you for proof or called you a liar.

2) I dont have enough info to challenge you bout Gelel or Sakon but as for Jirobou, and Tenten...

Jirobou: He doesnt have the highest multipliers in the game, Gai does. Jirobou only has 5 jutsus, only 2 note worthy. he has a heki that does 6.9x Tai and a freeze that does 4x Tai, and a fighting style Arhat Fist (Like Jyuuken, Tekken, Strong fist, ect.) which is close to the power of Strong fist.

Tenten: Firstly, her max Shuriken boost is 3.8x and her strongest move (Homing Windmill) requires a windmill in inventory and only does 2x shuriken damage. There is no "0.5x Kunai". Secondly, Don't bring up Blood/Pein/Senju. We're talking about individual clans.

1) was speaking to Hasashi

2) Icy said in OOC "Jirobou has the highest Multipliers in game. Morning Peacock is only 6x

Tenten - Trust me, I know tenten like the back of my hand lol. 
1- You dont need a windmill in inventory lol, you need a kunai/shuriken. At least 1.
2- Uh Focus + Tenten Scroll is exactly 4x lol. 
3- Windmills is 2x Shuriken and .5 Kunai skill.

3) Blood/Pein/Senju/ is relevant. You're claiming tenten isnt balanced yet it boosts 4x which is the average, and with Blood/Pein/Senju Tenten can compete with other clans and clan combos

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Post  Eternal on Tue Mar 11, 2014 5:42 pm

Moo wrote:1) was speaking to Hasashi

2) Icy said in OOC "Jirobou has the highest Multipliers in game. Morning Peacock is only 6x

Tenten - Trust me, I know tenten like the back of my hand lol. 
1- You dont need a windmill in inventory lol, you need a kunai/shuriken. At least 1.
2- Uh Focus + Tenten Scroll is exactly 4x lol. 
3- Windmills is 2x Shuriken and .5 Kunai skill.

3) Blood/Pein/Senju/ is relevant. You're claiming tenten isnt balanced yet it boosts 4x which is the average, and with Blood/Pein/Senju Tenten can compete with other clans and clan combos
1) My bad.
2) Wrong. I really just didn't wanna bring in exact numbers cause Icy was against showing multipliers but if thats what I need to prove my point so be it.

A) Jirobou Vs. Gai:
Jirobou's Earth Mausoleum Dumpling = 6.9x Tai
Gai's Morning peacock = 10x Tai, 
Gai's Afternoon Tiger  (or w/e its called) = 6xTai

So that's that.

B) Tenten Boosting:
Focus: 2xShuriken, 2xKunai, 2xTrap 
WeaponSealingScroll: 1.5xTai, 1.9xShuriken, 1.8xKunai, 1.7xTrap 

Now using the information above, Tenten's max boosted shuriken stats = 2 x 1.9 = 3.8

and maybe you can use the homing windmill with a kunai or shuriken. I'm not sure because I threw away my shuriken and kunai when i was testing Tenten so I could train with windmills properly.

For the last time. There is no 0.5, I'll prove it to you in-game when the game comes up.

3) She's the only weapon specialist in the game and she boosts LESS THAN 4x shuriken and her strongest move is 2x shuriken. So no matter how you word it, Tenten is UnderPowered. 

And btw, you can't bring blood into this because although it's an element it's an element you have to be born with, which makes it equal to Bijuus. So you can't bring Blood into this anymore than I can bring Juubi into this.

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Post  Byakuya Kuchiki on Tue Mar 11, 2014 5:56 pm

Icy already said on NKV he "balanced" the clans to prevent all the bandwagoners and people who choose the same clan as well as buffing some clans. Could you have saved the topic until AFTER the wipe....?

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Post  Hasashi on Tue Mar 11, 2014 5:59 pm

Byakuya Kuchiki wrote:Icy already said on NKV he "balanced" the clans to prevent all the bandwagoners and people who choose the same clan as well as buffing some clans. Could you have saved the topic until AFTER the wipe....?
Thank you. This I have been trying to say.

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Post  Eternal on Tue Mar 11, 2014 6:18 pm

Byakuya Kuchiki wrote:Icy already said on NKV he "balanced" the clans to prevent all the bandwagoners and people who choose the same clan as well as buffing some clans. Could you have saved the topic until AFTER the wipe....?
If you read one of my earlier comments I already replied to Hasashi saying the same thing (which I, myself did not hear from Icy) and replied that I won't be making any more Clan suggestions until after the wipe.

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Post  Byakuya Kuchiki on Tue Mar 11, 2014 6:24 pm

If you read my comment more thoroughly I said "Couldn't you have saved the topic until after the wipe?"
Or what I should've said:
Why make this topic right before wipe when you don't even know the updates? Wait until after.

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Post  Eternal on Tue Mar 11, 2014 6:27 pm

Byakuya Kuchiki wrote:If you read my comment more thoroughly I said "Couldn't you have saved the topic until after the wipe?"
Or what I should've said:
Why make this topic right before wipe when you don't even know the updates? Wait until after.
Okay, I'll also repeat myself. 

I did not know Icy was making any clan updates this wipe. As far as I had read and seen, the wipe was only to give a fresh start because alot of people got bored of this wipe instantly.

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Post  Moo on Tue Mar 11, 2014 10:35 pm

can someone delete this

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Post  Eternal on Wed Mar 12, 2014 5:42 am

Moo wrote:can someone delete this
You can't "delete" a suggestion just cause people don't like it. You can however lock it, and I hope to god someone does cause I'm getting tired of all these idiots commenting on my post.

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Post  Byakuya Kuchiki on Wed Mar 12, 2014 6:15 am

Getting tired of this idiot making idiotic suggestions.

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Post  Eternal on Wed Mar 12, 2014 8:36 am

Byakuya Kuchiki wrote:Getting tired of this idiot making idiotic suggestions.
If you don't like em, don't read em. #Logic?

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Post  Sam on Wed Mar 12, 2014 8:43 am

Takeshi wrote:
Byakuya Kuchiki wrote:Getting tired of this idiot making idiotic suggestions.
If you don't like em, don't read em. #Logic?
How would he know he doesn't like them if he doesn't read them? #logic?

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Post  Eternal on Wed Mar 12, 2014 8:57 am

Permafrost wrote:
Takeshi wrote:
Byakuya Kuchiki wrote:Getting tired of this idiot making idiotic suggestions.
If you don't like em, don't read em. #Logic?
How would he know he doesn't like them if he doesn't read them? #logic?
Well According to him I'm an idiot, so as far as he's concerned he'd be expecting idiotic suggestions. #Logic?

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Post  Hussein Oda on Wed Mar 12, 2014 9:06 am

Byakuya Kuchiki wrote:Getting tired of this idiot making idiotic suggestions.
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Re: The Game Needs To Make More Changes/Updates

Post  Moo on Wed Mar 12, 2014 10:28 am

I'm requesting this topic deleted. Not because I dont like it but because nothing here is true, and its an over saturation of begging for the same old shit over and over again. Also consider, this is a suggestion in the off topic thread. 

Stop making fucking stupid topics and lurk more, idc how long you've been here about 95% of your posts are stupid as fucking shit.

Stop calling people idiots because they think your ideas suck, and just accept that.. Your ideas fucking suck

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Re: The Game Needs To Make More Changes/Updates

Post  Eternal on Wed Mar 12, 2014 10:52 am

Moo wrote:I'm requesting this topic deleted. Not because I dont like it but because nothing here is true, and its an over saturation of begging for the same old shit over and over again. Also consider, this is a suggestion in the off topic thread. 

Wrong. This isn't a suggestion. This is a call for suggestions. Not sure how many times it has to be said to get through to you.

Stop making fucking stupid topics and lurk more, idc how long you've been here about 95% of your posts are stupid as fucking shit.

As long as I feel my suggestion/topic is good I have a right to post it. If you don't wanna hear what I have to say then don't click the link.

Stop calling people idiots because they think your ideas suck, and just accept that.. Your ideas fucking suck

1) I didn't call people idiots for saying my ideas suck. I called them idiots for insulting me/whater I say without any grounds, refusing to have a constructive conversation, and most of all for refusing to accept they're not the only ones that have a right to an opinion.

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^ I hope so.

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Re: The Game Needs To Make More Changes/Updates

Post  Hussein Oda on Wed Mar 12, 2014 11:06 am

Moo wrote:I'm requesting this topic deleted. Not because I dont like it but because nothing here is true, and its an over saturation of begging for the same old shit over and over again. Also consider, this is a suggestion in the off topic thread. 

Stop making fucking stupid topics and lurk more, idc how long you've been here about 95% of your posts are stupid as fucking shit.

Stop calling people idiots because they think your ideas suck, and just accept that.. Your ideas fucking suck

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